This is a custom, 1 of a kind, ranch saddle made by Clint Herring. He makes all his saddles 1 at a time and are all hand tooled, ect. These are quality saddles You will not find any out there like his. This saddle has a 14 1 2in seat. 1800.00 if you don t think the saddle is worth it don t bother calling about it it s worth every penny. I m not looking to trade for anything just selling.